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Carrie Hope Fletcher backstage following the press night performance of “Cinderella” at the Gillian Lynne Theatre in London (Photo by David M. Benett\/Dave Benett\/Getty Images)<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

Carrie Hope Fletcher has been appearing onstage in London<\/a> for the last 20 years\u2014and she is still only 29. She also has a pronounced social media presence with around half a million followers on Twitter<\/a> and over half a million on Instagram<\/a>. Her YouTube channel<\/a> has 700,000 subscribers with over 1 million views a month.\u00a0<\/span>In 2019, the Sunday Times<\/i> named her one of England’s Top 100 Influencers. And yet this wily theatre vet and social media phenomenon has\u2014as heady as her stardom in England<\/a> can be\u2014kept her Doc Martens<\/a> firmly on the ground. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The version of the title character in the new musical Cinderella<\/i><\/a> that Fletcher now embodies on the West End in the reimagining of the role by composer Andrew Lloyd Webber and the book\u2019s writer Emerald Fennell, actually does wear Doc Martens. Fennell, who was nominated for an Oscar for her direction of Promising Young Woman<\/i> and won an Academy Award for its script, has created a Cinderella who can belt out a Lloyd Webber ballad and break your heart while looking like a punk rocker out to break your balls. Fennell has found a way, in fact, to balance Lloyd Webber with Hope Fletcher and, in doing so, has conjured a take on this fairytale that can feint toward vulgarizing it with modernity while more deeply\u2014even tenderly\u2014delving into a narrative nudged knowingly forward by female empowerment.\u00a0<\/span>It is that empowerment that will be celebrated when Andrew Lloyd Webber hosts a gala performance of the musical on November 22nd to benefit the work being done by Malala Yousafzai<\/a> through her Malala Fund to help educate the more than 130 million girls who still have no access to schools. Malala plans to attend and along with the composer who has pledged all the proceeds from the tickets sold that night will be donated to her work.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

There is a stillness, a realness, to Carrie Hope Fletcher\u2019s portrayal of this newly empowered version of the fairytale character while the slapstick all about her never alas slackens. “<\/span>That\u2019s Emerald\u2019s very clever writing,” she tells me when we Zoom for a chat. “<\/span>From the beginning, she always said that the whole show is meant to be like this almost-spoof of a perfect Disney panto glossy world.\u00a0<\/span>Cinderella is meant to be one of two very self-aware characters, the other being Prince Sebastian. She\u2019s the one who can see this world for what it is. Everyone else is part of this world and everything they do is ingrained in this world. And Cinderella is the only one who\u2019s going, ‘You guys know that this is weird<\/i>.’ Everything Cinderella says is very dry and witty and sarcastic and everything everyone else says is very glossy and bubbly.\u00a0<\/span>So it is Emerald\u2019s vision and her very, very clever writing.”<\/p>\n

Fletcher\u2019s many musical theater credits include both \u00c9ponine and Fantine in Les Miserables<\/i>, Veronica in Heathers<\/i>, Wednesday in The Addams Family<\/i>, Truly Scrumptious in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang<\/i>, and Jane Banks in Mary Poppins<\/i>. \u00a0 <\/span>Her solo shows sell out concert halls and her 2018 debut album, When the Curtain Falls, <\/i>went straight to the Top 20 UK Album Charts and reached No. 2 on the iTunes Soundtrack Charts. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Fletcher is also the author of six books.\u00a0<\/span>Her seventh, a novel titled With this Kiss<\/i>, is being published in April of next year.\u00a0 <\/span>Her first book, All I Know Now, a <\/i>a nonfiction work which was based on her massively successful blog, went straight to No. 1 on the Sunday Times Bestseller list, as did her second book and first novel, On the Other Side.<\/i><\/p>\n

And she created her own 18-piece clothing collection in collaboration with X Joanie which includes, along with its dresses, t-shirts and sweatshirts emblazoned with the slogans “Born Weird” and “Complicated.”\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>Was she born weird? “Yeah. 100 percent. There is no question about that.”<\/p>\n

Here are some other things we talked about.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

KS: <\/strong>Your brand is sort of effortlessly cool, Carrie.\u00a0<\/span>Young girls especially think you\u2019re so damn cool because you do not bullshit them. There is a realness about you\u2014which you bring to Cinderella. But did you have any qualms about being in Cinderella?\u00a0<\/span>I actually think the show needed you and your artistic brand more than you needed it at this point in your career.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

CHF: <\/strong>No.\u00a0<\/span>I had no qualms about being in this.\u00a0<\/span>I love that you think I\u2019m cool because I\u2019ve always felt I\u2019m very, very uncool<\/i>. \u00a0 <\/span>But that\u2019s kind of the appeal.\u00a0 <\/span>Every character that I\u2019ve played Wednesday, \u00c9ponine, Veronica Sawyer\u2014they all have this severe uncoolness<\/i> about them that ends up making them so likable and so sort of relatable onstage.\u00a0<\/span>I\u2019m not saying that I\u2019m likable and relatable, but I feel that same sort of awkwardness.\u00a0<\/span>Especially when I was in my teens, I felt this really weird inability to be able to fit in.\u00a0<\/span>But as you grow up you realize that you don\u2019t have to. That is not a requirement to get along in life. You can just not fit in and be an awkward shape that doesn\u2019t fit the mold and that\u2019s fine.\u00a0<\/span>That\u2019s<\/i> cool.\u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I am interested in all the things that people deem uncool\u2014like being obsessed with Disney and loving musical theatre and spending evenings reading instead of going out. So when you\u2019re a kid or a teenager, those things just aren\u2019t deemed very cool.\u00a0<\/span>But I feel like that if you find the right crowd of people, you are<\/i> cool. It\u2019s all in the eye of the beholder. \u00a0<\/span>Because of social media it is now easier to find those people.\u00a0<\/span>It is easier to find your crowd.<\/p>\n

The first ever meeting I had with Andrew Lloyd Webber and Emerald Fennell<\/a> I went into the meeting not knowing it was about Cinderella.\u00a0 <\/span>I was just told that Andrew had this new project that he needed a female vocalist for and that I needed to record three songs that he needed for demos that he could then share around.\u00a0<\/span>So I walked into this meeting having no idea that it was for Cinderella\u2014or that it was this new version of Cinderella that they had cooked up between them.\u00a0 <\/span>Andrew sat me down and said, “Okay.\u00a0<\/span>This is the project.\u00a0<\/span>It\u2019s Cinderella.\u00a0<\/span>But it\u2019s not the Cinderella that everyone knows.\u00a0 <\/span>She\u2019s very grungy.\u00a0<\/span>She wears a lot of black. She wears Doc Martens. She\u2019s kind of like this alternative Cinderella.” As he was saying this, I looked down at myself and I was wearing a black dress with lacy tights and my Doc Martens and I said, \u201cI see why you called me.\u00a0<\/span>I get it now.\u201d<\/p>\n

KS: <\/strong>I still think they needed you more than you needed them. That\u00a0 <\/span>story sort of proves to me that you had the power in that dynamic. Are you comfortable with power?<\/p>\n

CHF: <\/strong>No. Not at all.\u00a0<\/span>I am one of those people who never makes decisions unless they are for myself. If it is a group decision that has to be made, I\u2019m more like: All right, what\u2019s the consensus? What does everyone want to do?\u00a0<\/span>Because I\u2019m pretty easy and laid back like that and I don\u2019t mind. If it is a decision that affects only me, I am more like: This is what I want and this is what I need right now. But if it is a group thing, I\u2019m never going to be the one to take charge. I\u2019m never going to be the one who says, “You all need to listen to me and follow me.” I will very much sit back and let other people\u00a0 <\/span>make decisions and be quite happy to go along with what everyone wants. So the idea of me being in power and in charge scares me a little bit. It is kind of different when it comes to leading a company when I\u2019m in a production because I feel like that\u2019s more about looking after people and making sure everyone is okay, which is something I feel like I can do.\u00a0 <\/span>But when it comes to everyone looking at me and asking, “What do we do?”\u00a0<\/span>No.\u00a0<\/span>So I guess I won\u2019t be going into politics.\u00a0<\/span>There is not enough money in the world to convince me to do that.<\/p>\n

Speaking of looking after people, I rely on my mother so so so desperately.\u00a0<\/span>Both my parents. My mom and dad were such a perfect united team. The are not in the arts in the slightest.\u00a0<\/span>My dad works at a Kodak factory in silver recovery\u2014whatever silver recovery means. I\u2019m still not quite sure. Twenty-one years d<\/span>riving forklifts. My mom is a learning support teacher for students with special needs. Both my parents are extraordinarily hardworking people. They very much instilled in my brother and me [Carrie\u2019s bother Tom is a lead vocalist in the pop rock band McFly and the YouTube video of their singing McFly\u2019s \u201cLove Is on the Radio\u201d<\/a> has over 1.6 million views] that you can have anything you want as long as you are willing to put the time and effort and money into whatever it is you want. There are always ways of making things happen.\u00a0 <\/span>It might take a lot of time but there are always ways of making things come true.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

KS: <\/strong>Let\u2019s circle back to your discomfort at being considered a leader. You are a kind of leader on social media. People not only demean social media, but go on the attack against it. Many think of it as a modern evil. I think it is about how you use it\u2014you can create a community of kindness\u00a0 <\/span>or create chaos out of cruelty. My analogy is that it is a plinth and you can either defecate atop it or you can sculpt a piece of art and place it there instead. You have a huge social media presence.\u00a0 <\/span>How do you balance all that?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

CHF: <\/strong>I completely agree with that analogy about the plinth.\u00a0<\/span>I couldn\u2019t agree more.\u00a0<\/span>Social media is just about how people use it. If you\u2019re using it just to shout abuse into the abyss and to use it to spread hate and negativity… well, that\u2019s not about social media.\u00a0 <\/span>Social media is just a tool. It\u2019s about how you use that tool. I mean, no one has a go at a hammer. It\u2019s the person who\u2019s smashing things up as opposed to building things with the hammer. No one says it\u2019s the hammer\u2019s fault.\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s the person who\u2019s deciding to knock things down and to use the hammer who\u2019s at fault.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

It\u2019s the same with social media.\u00a0<\/span>I do think there are down sides to it. For example, the rules and regulations regarding social media need to be worked on and need to be changed, but at the end of the day social media is a tool and it is how you use it. It\u2019s the people who use it for bad instead of good who are the problem. So, yeah, I\u2019ve always just used social media to spread the things that I enjoy and the things that I\u2019m passionate about which has always been musical theatre and Disney and writing and reading. I feel through that I\u2019ve made some amazing friends and built up this community of people who end up coming to see these shows that I\u2019m in. I used to have a sense of mission about it and I do have to be aware [of the \u201cmessiah complex\u201d aspect]\u00a0 <\/span>when one has so many followers. I\u2019ve seen it in others go horribly wrong before.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Very early on, I made a video I called \u201cHonorary Big Sister.\u201d It was part of a health department campaign about talking openly about sex, drugs, smoking, alcohol. It was about teenagers talking about those kinds of things. I named the video \u201cHonorary Big Sister.\u201d I opened the comments section and told them that if they weren\u2019t comfortable with sharing their stories with people of authority or parents or adults, then use this comments section to find people who are going through the same sorts of things that you are and we will use this as a community-based type thing. That kind of snowballed and I really did become this kind of big-sister figure to my audience and I feel like that was maybe one of the best things I ever did because it became more big sisterly than I Am Your Leader.\u00a0 \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I had a responsibility, of course, because I do have this audience now and I had to be careful of what I was saying and putting out there but only in so much as a big sister would. But\u00a0 <\/span>I never felt like I didn\u2019t have freedom.\u00a0 <\/span>I mean I have a personal life and private life I don\u2019t put in front of hundreds of thousands of people. But I still had my wild drunken nights with cast members and did all the things that people do in their early 20s as a young person working in musical theater.\u00a0<\/span>I still do all those things and had all those experiences and had a great time. But it\u2019s just common sense what you put on social media and what you don\u2019t. People have private lives and people have public lives.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

KS: <\/strong>On top of everything else, you just ran the marathon here in London. How do you multi-task with such grace? \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

CHF: <\/strong>I learned my lesson. I used to take on way too much and was convinced\u00a0 <\/span>that having a monthly breakdown was just a thing that people did as part of being an adult. Breaking down crying in the middle of supermarket because they didn\u2019t have the brand of butter you wanted was just what one did.\u00a0<\/span>It was just normal. So I think I learned my lesson quite quickly. You can\u2019t do it all\u2014not all at the same time at least. You have to manage things in sort of smaller chunks. And ask for help.\u00a0 <\/span>You can say, \u201cYou know what? I can\u2019t do this alone.\u201d \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

My first book was called What I Know Now. <\/i>It came out six years ago. What I know now is that there is no point at which you do have all the knowledge. There is no point where\u00a0 <\/span>you get to in your life when you go, well, okay now I have everything and I will carry on with the rest of my life with just this amount of knowledge. You are constantly changing.\u00a0<\/span>You are constantly growing. What I wrote in that book, there is probably about 30% I\u2019d now go chuck that out the window. That doesn\u2019t apply anymore. That doesn\u2019t work. You\u2019re constantly evolving. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Also, you think that other people have it figured out and people older than you know exactly what they\u2019re doing. And you\u2019re going, “Oh, I can\u2019t wait to get to that point.\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>I can\u2019t wait to get to 30.”\u00a0\u00a0<\/span>I\u2019m weirdly not freaked out about turning 30 on my next birthday.\u00a0<\/span>I\u2019m very calm about it. I\u2019m weirdly okay with growing up. I think the further away I get from my teens the better.\u00a0 <\/span>I was a mess during my teens.\u00a0 <\/span>But the more I grow up and learn about other people\u2019s lives, I realize that we\u2019re all kind of messes in our teens because that\u2019s really where you\u2019re trying to figure things out. Even now beginning to look back on my 20s, there was so much I didn\u2019t know and so much that I thought that I did.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

KS: <\/strong>You seem to have trouble not only being still but also stilling your mind.\u00a0 <\/span>Is being onstage the place you go to rest and be still and find a kind of respite?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

CHF: <\/strong>I honestly think you\u2019ve hit the nail on the head.\u00a0<\/span>I feel like when I\u2019m onstage I have no choice but to think about nothing else except about being onstage.\u00a0<\/span>It\u2019s my only chance to be completely and utterly in the moment. Every other moment of my life is about what happens next. Where am I in the next five minutes?\u00a0 <\/span>What happens in the next hour?\u00a0 <\/span>Where do I need to be? What do I need to do?\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s all about short-term future and long-term future.\u00a0 <\/span>I very rarely just sit and be still and enjoy the moment. But when I\u2019m onstage the only thing I can do is think about the words that I am saying at that very moment. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

Reading also helps me be still. For the first time in a long time my reading has spiked this year.\u00a0<\/span>I reached my 50 book goal yesterday.\u00a0<\/span>I set out to read 50 books in 2021. And I am now on my 51st. My 50th one was a book titled Witch Girl<\/i>. I have been reading a lot of Young Adult fiction because I am writing a Young Adult book right now.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

The book that I remember the most from this year is The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo<\/i> by Taylor Jenkins Reid.\u00a0 <\/span>It\u2019s my favorite book of all time really.\u00a0<\/span>I do not say that lightly. It\u2019s about this old Hollywood actress. None of it is true but as you\u2019re reading it you\u2019re thinking, this woman has to exist. This has to be nonfiction surely because it\u2019s so amazing. It\u2019s about this Hollywood actress who married seven husbands throughout her career and it is also about how she worked her way up from nothing to become of the biggest Hollywood actresses of all time. I think it speaks to me because it\u2019s about Hollywood and actresses although I\u2019ve never been in a Hollywood film. 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